Description: True and faithful words tell us about what is to come. Jesus came as the Son to what He made and to what He is heir to. People in Heaven watch and wait to see Christ in triumph, as they live in presence of God. Cries and questions go up. Revelation 6:9-11; 21:5; Hebrews 1:1-5; 2:15-17; Psalm 8:1-5

Speaker: Thomas Schaller
Sermon: 12571
Date: 2023-08-30
Time: Wed 7:00pm

P. Schaller –

Wow! That was a joy to sing with Jemima. Thank you so much. I thought of you today, because I know you had a
job and hadn’t been able and then I thought when is she going to lead us again. And it
happened just now. It was great.

It’s joyful here tonight. It’s joy, joy and love and faith and peace. We’re going to heaven. We’re
going to heaven! Yes. That’s what we’re going to speak about tonight in a certain way. Going to
heaven. And I want to have you turn to – we’re going to look at Hebrews 1 – but I want you to
turn to Psalm 8. So, we have our teaching in the beginning of our service, and P. Mat Gehret’s
going to pray for the offering. And then, we’ll have a song and then he has something to share
with the Bible college and the teachers tonight for a few minutes. That will be our service.
I’m so blessed being here, and to open this amazing revelation of God to the human heart. You
know, the pagan world struggled.

They pagan world didn’t really have a message about where
are we going. Paganism groped and staggered with the whole idea of getting ahold of a
continuum, a sensible direction. They didn’t have it. But the Jews have it.

So, if we were to say, and I want to zoom out for a minute and think of the world was made and
then people wonder where is it going. When we look at our Bible – now you can have your own
ideas on it, but your ideas are just your ideas. But I would like to know what God says about the
universe and this particular planet which is called the privileged planet by scientists who have –
there’s a video. You can see the long one or a four-minute trailer. Google it at your pleasure,
“The Privileged Planet.” Twenty factors that were necessary for life to be on this planet. The
weight of the planet, the spin, the location, the atmosphere, the magnetic fields and so on. Life
is here. Is it in other places? I don’t know. Nobody has found. We have radio. We’re trying to
hear in the universe but we hear nothing. We don’t know anything about that.

And that’s that but this is this. Who are we? Made in the image of God. Look at Psalm 8:1-2, we
have babes. Children. And we have enemies. vs. 3-4. We could stop there with man, and just
talk about his three parts. His physical life. What is man? I’m fearfully and wonderfully made.
Just think. Something as wonderful as sex in marriage, and out of that pleasure comes a human
being. That is crazy. That is crazy but it’s undeniable. It happens. What? Yes. The human being.
What is man that you are mindful of him?

Well, here in

#2. He has a soul. This is very short comments about this. I was in the line at the
bank. Somebody cut in front of me. Hey! Hey! I was here first. Or I say nothing. I gave you a
piece of my banana. Can I have a piece of your orange? Hey, I borrowed from you. Can’t you
loan to me. What’s that? That’s morality. Every human being on the earth has it. Everyone.
Everybody knows right and wrong. It bothers them. It appeases them. It satisfies them. What is
man that you would make us like this. We have a soul.

We’re not like the animals. We’re different in so many ways. We’re made with a divine purpose,
and we want to know are we going somewhere. Where are we going? What is it? What’s your
plan? Who is speaking? Is God speaking? What is he saying? Okay.

#3. What is man? His spirit. What is spirit? Two things about spirit. Beauty. This is Psalm 27:4.
Beauty. Do you know when you see something beautiful? Do you know it? When you see it? It’s
beautiful. Have you seen anything beautiful? Do you know it? It is beautiful. Do you stop and
look at it and enjoy it? Yes. There’s something about us that we are able to recognize something
tender, beautiful. Something lovely. A child. A painting. A landscape. The ocean, the stars.

And #2. Questions in our spirit. We have questions. We ask the big questions like who am I?
Who am I? What am I here for? What’s going on? What is this? What is this? And then you see
something beautiful, you worship. You appreciate. Okay. What is man? He is so amazing. Man
made in God’s image. Okay.

So, look at chapter 8:4. And isn’t it incredible that the Son of God became a man? Isn’t it
amazing that God came incarnated? It’s incredible. It’s the key to our future. If God loved us and
came and became one of us to save us, then this is the load-spring or platform for believing
what we’re going to say tonight about heaven.

So, we have our capacity to hear what we are saying. vs. 5. That’s a very important part of our
story here. Angels. What are angels? Where are the angels? Are angels intelligent. Yes, the
Philistines said David, you are as wise as an angel of heaven. Angels moving the stone at the
tomb. Angels visiting Mary. Gabriel. Angels that set Peter free out of prison. Angels that speak to
the men and women of God in our Bible that have been messengers to us, coming and going
upon Christ in John 1. Angels.

But the angels are in the rest of the universe, but on this planet he gave us. He gave the planet
to us. This planet is ours. This is God’s planet and he made man a little lower than the angels.
What does it mean a little lower? Angels don’t have mortal bodies. Angels don’t bleed, fall down,
skin their knee. Angels don’t have a toothache or a headache or high blood pressure or
panicking or emotional. They don’t sleep or need to eat like we do to nourish our body. We are a
little lower. We are made from the dust and we are flesh. Angels are spirit. He maketh his angels
spirits and his ministers a flame of fire. We are something like angels but we are mortal. We are
a flame of fire. Ministers. Flame of fire. The believer is a flame of fire. Ministers.

So, this is the, this is a reference for Hebrews 1. So, we’ll turn there and make a few comments on
Hebrews 1. So, are you good? You’re following it, right? You’re concentrating. You’re listening in
the anointing of God. Amen. We have gathered in Jesus’ name to hear from Hebrews 1. Now, I
don’t want to lose you in the text, so I’m abbreviating things to provoke you in thinking in large
terms like the universe we live in. Yes, I believe angels are singing with the stars. There are
angels that are out in the universe, and there is a place called heaven. It’s the third heaven.
We’ll read about that tonight. I hope I can do this in a timely way.

Look at Hebrews 1:1. That means he spoke through Moses at the Red Sea. He spoke through
Elijah at Mt. Carmel. He spoke through Paul in the prison. He spoke through David in the cave
of Adullam. In various ways he spoke through miracles. He spoke through kings. And he spoke
through their sin, the sins of people. He’s shown us the devil in the book of Job. God in many
ways has spoken to his people in the Bible, but now. Look at vs. 2.

Let’s draw this picture. Here’s the whole universe. What does it say? He is an heir of all things.
He is the heir of the universe. He is it. He gets it all. He gets it all. Jesus gets it all. He is the heir
of the whole universe. He is on a throne. The King of Kings on a throne with his Father forever
and ever, and he has inherited everything. vs. 2. And then it says he made the universe. He
made it and he inherited it. He made it and he inherited it. That gives us joy. Yes, Jesus, you
made the universe. And Jesus you inherit the universe.

But notice something about the universe. It is moral. When I say I loaned you some money, you
should loan me some money. That means there’s a moral law in our heart. You can make the
story many ways. I put my clothes away. You didn’t. It caused this problem. Why didn’t you clean
the room, the bedroom? And all of these things that we say every day because the universe is
moral. But okay. So, Jesus made it like that. He made it like that.

Then, of course, we lose everything. We lose. We sin. We lose our place. We lose our privilege.
We lose God. We lose everything. We fall. We’re lost. We make up ideas about the world and
about God. We make up religions out of our own hearts and superstitions they’re called and
philosophies. We try to figure out everything without God cause we don’t want God. But God
was faithful to give us in history – it’s so convincing. There’s nobody like the Jews in regards to
what they gave the world. They gave us the Scripture. There’s no Scriptures in the world like
these Scriptures. You should learn that. You should get that in your mind.

What I am speaking to you tonight is just from my heart from 50 years of thinking about these things, knowing the Scripture in a measure, and I’m just talking to you like just as a family. You test. You check it out
with the Scripture what it is that I’m saying where this is going. I want it to be a blessing to you.

So, look at vs. 3. This is an incredible verse. This is Jesus. He’s the Son of God. He came. The
brightness of his glory. But we see Jesus as a mortal man that you couldn’t even identify in the
crowd. Therefore, Judas had to go and kiss him to identify him in the dark garden. Who is he?
vs. 3. That’s the stamp. The image on the coin in the Romans time. The stamp was Caesar, is
the image of Caesar on the coin. Jesus is the exact image of God. God was stamped on him.
More. God was in him. If you saw Christ, you saw God in humble form in obedience and
humility. But he was a man not an angel.

This text in chapter 1 is to make a point that Jesus was not an angel. So, let’s read vs. 3. Could
you count those things with me. #1. Brightness of his glory. #2. Express image of his person. #3.
Upholding all things by the word of his power. That means he’s holding the universe together.
That it makes sense. That we make sense. That our brain is held together.

Here’s a good point. When an atheist argues that there is no God, who is holding his brain
together? God. And where did the argument come from when he says there is no God? His
reasoning faculties are a gift from God. And they can be used against God. When a man runs
around with women, and who gives him the strength to run around and live in sin and destroy
his life? The God that is holding the universe together. And evil is in the universe and this planet
as far as we know is only here on this planet and it’s all held together by God.

What did Jesus do? He said I’m holding it together and then he said I purge, cleanse. Purging.
Fire. Purging. The blood cleansing. Purging us from our sins with his own blood. By the way,
blood does clean. If you cut your arm and get an infection, your blood goes – you got the white
blood cells. You got the red blood cells. You got the lymphocytes and many different words for
the chemistry of the blood. The blood heals. The blood cleanses. The blood makes it clean. And
God is saying in your physical body you know that, but I want you to know that in your soul and
spirit. You’re born again by believing in Christ. God’s given us this great gift, Christ in us.
What happened here?

What did I count? One, two, three, four. Purged our sins. Sat down. Five.
Five things in vs. 3 that he did and is doing. Who is this person? Who is this person that has
done this for us? What has he done for us? Who is this person? vs. 4. He’s better than the
angels. He has a name above every name. Angels don’t have. Angels have a status but not as
high as the Son of God. For the Son of God has inherited all things. Not the angels. The angels
haven’t. Probably the angels have some planets.

The angels are singing in the universe. They are bringing praise to God. By the way, the astronauts that have gone out to the moon, they talk about the incredible presence of God outside of this atmosphere. How many have read about
that or know about that? Okay. Many of you do. Okay.

Go now to vs. 5. He’s making his argument now. Did he ever say it to the angels? No. And on it
goes through the rest of the chapter. He’s arguing that. That this is not about the angels. This is
about us. Because in chapter 2, it says vs. 16-17. Go to chapter 2. We’re almost done with this
part. Chapter 2:5. What? The world to come. Look at it. There is a world coming. Okay. What’s
that world like? Where can we read about it?

At the beginning of my message, I said the pagans didn’t have it. They staggered, stumbled
trying to figure it out. It didn’t work. They didn’t have a message. They could invent stories or say
something, but there wasn’t really anything believable. But when the Christian faith, these
Scriptures, came to the intellectuals, the thinkers of the time they grabbed ahold of it. It flashed
on their minds. Yes! Yes! I believe that! I believe man wasn’t made to die. I believe that man is
made something higher. Yes, I believe that. Yes, I believe that. Is it true that there was Christ in
Jerusalem, and that he was nailed to a cross and that he overcame? Yes. Was he humble? Was
he broken? Was he weak? Tell me. Was he weak? And you would say to these pagan people,
yes. He was weak.

They would say that’s not good with our gods. They are strong and…how can he be weak? The
Christian would say yes, he was crucified in weakness because he’s a humble God. He was
obedient to his Father, and he took our sins in our place that we would become righteous. Yes.
And in his humility, he is actually exalted. He is exalted, lifted high. He is the Lamb of God. Even
in the Bible, it says in heaven he is the Lamb that sits on the throne. What? A Lamb on the
throne? Not big, mighty Thor with his hammer and smashing. Yes. No, this is different. This isn’t
from people and the fallen nature of man. This is the Christ.

And there’s a world coming where there will be peace and righteousness and truth and humility
and love. There’s a kingdom coming and man is at the center of it. Where actually God did not
make on his throne, it’s not angels. On his throne is his Son. And who is with the Son but us,
people. Isn’t it incredible that God would take people out of the dust of the earth. The psalmist
said, what is man that you would even be thinking about him or you would visit him? But we can
add. What is man that you would put him upon the throne? What is man that he would be next
to God in God? What is man made in the image of God that he would be in the family of God?
What is man that we could call upon the Father and he would answer us? What is man that we
are buried into the ground to deteriorate?

Worms eat our body. But I know that my Redeemer liveth and I shall stand in my flesh in the latter day and I shall see my Redeemer. Remember Job 19. Yes, this is reality. This is our message. This is an amazing message.
Let’s go to the last part here. It’s this one. God made the world and where is it going? Well, I
recommend you could read Revelation 20-22, you know, quite often. Read it quite often and learn
about it little by little and think about it. It’s a real place. Our sisters and brothers are there. But
can they talk? Are they watching us? What is happening? I love to think about it, so I just want
to say a couple things to you tonight.

You know the chapters probably. Revelation 20 and look at one text there in vs. 5. Revelation 21:5. Really?
No, I don’t believe it. Really? Yes. Why do I believe it? Because in the past, the things of the
Bible that have happened, many things, and in our Spirit and in our fellowship and the history of
the prophets and the things and the plan. It just is intriguing. It takes some imagination. That’s a
good line for someone who is an atheist. They say, I’m an atheist. That’s very cool to say that.
And then you can counter without offending them or being too sarcastic a little bit but, you don’t
have much imagination. I am an atheist. It’s like oh wow. What happened to your imagination?
You should think about that more. Get some imagination and think about it.

Is life more than this planet and this physical universe? Why was it made? Is it saying to us I’m
fearfully and wonderfully made? The psalmist said and he said such knowledge is too wonderful
for me. Just study the human body. It is so – I have a book called, “What Darwin Did Not Know”
written by a doctor. And it’s just amazing the human body. Where’s your imagination? Was man
made to die or made to live, and where will we live and what will it be like and what is going on
in heaven right now? We have a little bit of a window to see it. We’ll look at it in a second.
Look at chapter 21:5. I’m telling you.

That little sentence speaks to me. Write it down. I’m not joking. These things are true and faithful. It’s going to be like I said. There will be the heaven and the earth. Now, my personal belief is like this is like a template for the future. This is like a phase. This world that we live in is speaking to us, and it’s a picture of God’s wisdom. There has
to be something going on and we’re going somewhere. Development isn’t maybe the best word,
but it’s like, it’s like when we see it, we have to believe that there is something behind it that is
happening that ultimately it goes in a better direction. But it’s not by evolution. It’s by God and
his Word and his plan unfolding and his Son who came and showed us and said I go to the
Father.

And if it wasn’t so, I would tell you. But these things are true and faithful.
Now, let’s go to the last part and it’s Revelation 6. Do people talk in heaven? Do they have bodies in
heaven? Are they passionate? Are they emotional? What kind of – do they see what’s going on
here now? I heard one preacher say very commendable pastor, preacher, he said something
strange to me. He said the people in heaven have nothing to do with the earth. The people that go to heaven, they have nothing to do with the earth, right? Now, they’re not involved. They
don’t care at all about it and so on. And I go what are you talking about? What are you talking
about? What do you believe about that? Go ahead. Turn to your neighbor and ask them. Are
you one of those?

Okay. Okay. So, in Hebrews 12 – chapter 11 is a list of people who lived by faith in the Old
Testament. And then chapter 12 says we run the race and they are a cloud of witnesses. They
are watching what’s going on on the earth. Now, here comes the big question. Wouldn’t the
people that have been here who have gone to heaven, aren’t they interested in what? What
would they be interested in regarding this planet? What would they be interested in? I’ll tell you
one thing. When is Jesus coming back? Also, when are we going with Jesus to the earth? When
are we going back? The invasion happened. The invasion happened through Christ and before.
When Jesus came into this world, it was an invasion from heaven. And we were born from God
and part of his group. We are part of Jesus’ group and we are here. They were here and they
have gone before us.

And are they interested in what’s happening here on the earth? Yeah. Don’t be too human about
it. Be spiritually minded about it. Like are they interested in some minutia about our history or
something like weird? I’m talking big picture. It says in Heb. 10, he’s anticipating when his what?
He’s anticipating when what? This is good. He’s anticipating when his enemies will be under his
feet. That’s Hebrews 10, I think vs. 14. He’s anticipating it. Well, why wouldn’t he? He overcame
it. He overcame evil, and he’s the, the Father knows the big picture and is going to send him
and he’s going to come and his enemies – well, what do you mean enemies? All the lies. All the
abuse. All the corruption. All the arrogance. All the demons. Everything wrong. Everything wrong
is put under his feet.

What does it mean under his feet? It means he’s over it and has dealt with. Like a baseball bat
in a china shop. He’s going to go into the china shop with a baseball bat, and there will be a lot
of shattered china on the floor. That’s the dynamic. That’s called an iron rod. Dash in pieces the
governments and the operations of the human race that happens every day without God. Every
day without God. And there’s such arrogance in it. Read the book of Obadiah sometime. You are
in your high place, but God says I will bring you down. You’re in your mountain in your
arrogance, and I will bring you down. Be sure that I will bring you down, right? That’s like the
spirit of it.

Okay. Point. Heaven isn’t far from here in a way. This is heaven’s eye is on this. Jesus died for
this. Jesus came. Jesus died to deal with evil. Jesus died to save our souls. When one sinner is
converted, there’s a part in heaven. Tell me that heaven’s not involved on the earth, involved in
what’s happening in the unfolding plan? Come on. The angels visit, 1 Peter 1:10-12 when there is
an anointing in the church. You take a man of God somewhere. Man of God, New York City.
Man of God, Chicago. Anywhere. Man of God in a village in India. Man of God that’s anointing.
The angels visit. They want to hear it. They are part of it. It’s God on the earth through the
anointing of the Spirit.

Now, where is this going? There’s many things there. Go to Rev. 6. I want to finish this up here.
We’re here all night. Oh, yeah. Don’t leave. Don’t leave. Don’t leave. I said that in Hungary one
time. I said my message will only be two hours long. A man in the back stood up and he waved
goodbye! I’m out of here. Thank you, very much. I said, I’m joking! I’m joking. No, don’t joke
about that. I’m out of here! Wasn’t it Billy Graham who told a joke – where was it? It was a long
winded preacher. Yeah, here it goes. There was a long winded preacher, and he just wouldn’t
stop. He just kept preaching and kept preaching.

The guy in the podium was just getting upset
and wanted him to stop and everything. So, he took a pitcher, some vessel of some kind, and
threw it at him. And it missed him, and it hit a woman in the front row and hit her in the head.
And then they said, are you okay? She said, hit me again. I can still hear him!

Should I finish this up on Sunday or not? Right now. Okay. Ready. I want you to look at this.
What’s it like in heaven? Chapter 6:9. These are the people who are in heaven who are martyred for their faith and for the testimony which they held. vs. 10. #1. They had a voice in
heaven and it was loud. And they cried. That means emotion, passion. I think they’ve got an
issue. They have an issue in heaven. They do. Do they have peace? Absolutely. Is this out of
frustration? No. It’s out of holiness. They’re looking at the earth and they’re crying out. They’re
saying in vs. 10, how long O Lord, how long? #2. How long. What does that mean?

Time. There’s an issue of time. They’re saying, are they conscious of events? Are they conscious of
what’s going on? How long, O Lord. You say when you go to heaven you’re not in time. You’re in
eternity. No, we have the wrong idea about eternity. Eternity is not the absence of time. It’s the
presence of God. That’s what it is. There are events in heaven. There are sequences. There are
things that happen in heaven, so there is time. These saints in heaven are looking upon the
earth and they are passionate. I like that. We are too, amen. Go ahead. Yell to your neighbor
and say, we are passionate! Yeah, when we cry out we mean it. Yeah, we got something going
on in our hearts.

Okay. vs. 10. This is they see something is wrong and it bothers them. There’s something wrong
on the earth. We were murdered, and it’s never been dealt with. We were murdered, and they
got away with murder. And in heaven, nobody gets away with murder. With God, God is faithful
and true and wise and that’s in our new nature. In heaven, we are wanting salvations, and then
we are asking for justice. We’re looking for things to be right. I want it to be right on the earth.
Cause when you taste heaven, you understand what sin is. When you taste when it’s true and
holy and right, it’s your nature. And when you look at something wrong, you realize, and so in
heaven they were given a white robe and told to have patience. They were given a white robe
and told be patient. Others are coming. Others are coming. We’re not done yet. The Father’s not
done. Others are going to be martyred. And it happens in Revelation 7. They are clothed in white. The
martyrs come up and there are many of them. And because John says who are these? They
seem to be a category.

You know, when you go to the grocery store, you have categories. You got the milk row. You got
the potato chips, the coffee row. You got the fish and the meat. Categories in a grocery store. I
kind of think like that in heaven. There’s diversity. Maybe the still born children, the aborted
babies. Who are these? That’s what John said. And the angel said, these are those that came
up out of great tribulation in chapter 7. And the answer to these people is hold your horses. We
love your passion.

By the way, they have an opinion in heaven. I love that. People can talk in heaven. People can
say something. They can express themselves. Of course, they can. Of course. A tyrant doesn’t
allow it. An arrogant person doesn’t allow it. But our God is a humble God who made us that we
would interact with him, and we would cry out with passion and say this thing, when is it going to
happen? When is it going to happen? We’ve been waiting. When is it going to happen? Do you
see it?

I love the idea of us being who we are but on steroids, you know. Who we are but it is holy. It is
righteous. It is accepted. God enjoys it. God is in heaven. We are going to heaven. We might be
the quiet – we might be quiet or whatever our personality. Don’t get it confused with your life on
the earth as a certain kind of personality or temperment or something. This is transcending us
but still it is us. It is us. We are there. Let’s close. Finish. vs. 11. So, there it is. I hope this is
something that you can enjoy and appreciate and praise the Lord for it. Amen.

 

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